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Working out position size

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What you learn in 3 minutesPosition size is the number of lots you trade. It is not chosen by feel. It comes from three numbers you already have: the money you are willing to lose on the trade, the distance from your entry to your stop in pips, and the value of one pip for the size you are considering.

On EUR/USD around 1.0850, one pip on one standard lot is 10 units of the quote currency, which is about ₱10 at a rate of roughly ₱58 to the unit. That single figure is the bridge between the chart and your account balance.

Risk$200.00÷Stop20 × $10.00=Size1.00EUR/USD · Lot
A schematic EUR/USD chart shows an entry line, a stop line 25 pips below it, and a shaded band between them; beside the chart, three boxes are labelled risk in money, stop distance in pips, and pip value, with arrows showing them feeding into one final box marked position size.

Why the stop distance is measured in pips, not in peso

A chart shows price in the quote currency, which for EUR/USD is the unit priced second in the pair. The distance from your entry to your stop is counted in pips, not in peso. A pip is the smallest standard move on most pairs, and on EUR/USD around 1.0850 it is the fourth decimal place. If you enter at 1.0850 and place your stop at 1.0830, the distance is 20 pips, whatever the exchange rate does to the peso value of those pips.

The peso amount you are willing to lose is fixed before the trade. The pip distance is fixed by the chart, where your reason for the trade stops being true. Those two numbers move independently. If you convert your risk into pips first, you are guessing at a stop level that the chart did not give you. If you convert your stop into peso first, you are guessing at a loss the account did not agree to.

Keeping the stop in pips separates the market decision from the money decision. The market decision is where price would prove you wrong. The money decision is how much of the account that proof is allowed to cost. Position size is the only number that connects them, and it is the last one you calculate.

What pip value does to the size you can take

One pip on one standard lot of EUR/USD is 10 units of the quote currency. At a rate of roughly ₱58 to the unit, that is about ₱580 per pip on a standard lot. A mini lot is one tenth of that, so about ₱58 per pip. A micro lot is one hundredth, so about ₱5.80 per pip. The lot size sets the peso value of each pip before you know your final position size.

That is why the same stop distance can cost very different amounts. A 20-pip stop on a standard lot risks about ₱11,600. The same 20-pip stop on a micro lot risks about ₱116. The chart did not change. The account balance did not change. Only the pip value changed, and it changed because the lot size changed. This is the step where beginners lose track of the arithmetic.

The conversion rate from the quote currency to peso varies between brokers and can move during the day. The figure of ₱58 is an example, not a fixed rate. Your broker may quote a slightly different rate when it converts your profit or loss. That difference does not change the method. It only changes the final peso figure by a small amount, and the method still holds.

How rounding and broker rules change the final number

The division rarely lands on a size your platform accepts. If the calculation gives 0.029 lots, most brokers will not let you trade that. They allow steps, often 0.01 lots. You round down to the nearest allowed step, which in this case is 0.02 lots. Rounding down keeps the risk at or below the amount you chose. Rounding up would push it above, which defeats the purpose of choosing the amount in the first place.

The spread and any commission are charged on top of the stop distance. If your stop is 20 pips away and the spread is 1 pip, the market needs to move against you by 21 pips before the stop triggers. That extra pip is a real cost, and it comes out of the same risk budget. Some traders widen the stop by the spread when they calculate, so the money risked matches the money lost.

The SEC Philippines regulates brokers that offer these products to residents, and the rules on leverage, margin and permitted lot steps vary between firms. A broker may also round the peso conversion at its own rate. Because those details differ, the exact peso figure you calculate by hand may not match the figure on your statement. The order of the three numbers does not change. Risk in money, divided by stop distance in pips, divided by pip value, then rounded down.

A 25-pip stop with ₱1,160 at risk

StepAmountNote
Risk in money₱1,160The amount you have decided you can lose on this one trade.
Stop distance25 pipsThe gap between your entry and your stop on the chart, counted in pips.
Pip value on one standard lotabout ₱10One pip on one standard lot of EUR/USD is 10 units of the quote currency, converted at about ₱58 per unit.
Risk per lot25 × ₱10 = ₱250Stop distance multiplied by pip value on one standard lot.
Position size₱1,160 ÷ ₱250 = 4.64Risk in money divided by risk per lot. 4.64 is the number of standard lots.
Position size in lots0.08 lotsRounded down from 4.64 to 0.08 lots, because a smaller size keeps the risk inside your limit.

Your broker may round the size to the nearest allowed step, quote a slightly different conversion rate for the peso, and charge a spread or commission on top. Those details vary between brokers.

Doing it once, step by step

You will take three numbers you already have and turn them into one lot size, in the same order every time. The order matters more than the speed, so work through each step before placing anything.

  1. 01

    Write down the money you will risk

    Decide the peso amount before you look at the chart. For example, ₱580. This is the most the trade is allowed to cost if the stop is hit. Write it down as a number, not as a percentage you keep in your head.

  2. 02

    Mark the stop on the chart and count the pips

    Place the stop where your reason for the trade is proven wrong, not where the money feels comfortable. Count the distance from entry to stop in pips. If entry is 1.0850 and the stop is 1.0830, the distance is 20 pips.

  3. 03

    Find the pip value for one standard lot

    On EUR/USD, one pip on one standard lot is 10 units of the quote currency. At roughly ₱58 to the unit, that is about ₱580 per pip. Check your broker's current conversion rate, because it varies.

  4. 04

    Divide risk by stop distance, then by pip value

    Multiply the stop distance by the pip value for one standard lot to get risk per lot. With 20 pips and ₱580 per pip, that is ₱11,600. Divide your chosen risk by that figure: ₱580 ÷ ₱11,600 = 0.05 lots.

  5. 05

    Round down to the allowed step

    If your platform only accepts 0.01-lot steps, round 0.05 down to 0.05 if it already fits, or to the nearest lower step if it does not. Rounding down keeps the loss at or under the amount you chose. Never round up to make the trade feel larger.

  6. 06

    Check the cost with spread and commission

    Add the spread and any commission to the stop distance before you confirm the size. A 20-pip stop with a 1-pip spread behaves like a 21-pip stop. If the extra cost pushes the loss above your chosen amount, reduce the size by one step.

The mistake most people make here

The common mistake is to pick a lot size first, often because 0.10 lots looks like a normal amount, and then place the stop wherever it fits. That reverses the order. The stop belongs on the chart, where the idea is proven wrong, and the size is whatever makes that stop cost the money you chose to risk. Work out the size from the stop, not the stop from the size.

Check yourself

You will risk ₱580 on EUR/USD. Your stop is 20 pips away. One pip on one standard lot is about ₱10. What size do you trade?

Risk per lot is 20 × ₱10 = ₱200. ₱580 ÷ ₱200 = 2.9. Rounded down, that is 0.02 lots.

You trade 0.05 lots on EUR/USD with a 30-pip stop. One pip on one standard lot is about ₱10. What is your risk in peso?

Pip value for 0.05 lots is about ₱0.50. Risk is 30 × ₱0.50 = ₱15.

Questions that come up next

How do I find the stop distance in pips on my chart?

Look at the price where you enter and the price where your stop sits. Count the pips between them. On EUR/USD around 1.0850, the fourth decimal place is one pip, so 1.0850 to 1.0830 is 20 pips. Your platform may show this distance for you, but you can count it from the two prices.

Why does the pip value change when I change the lot size?

One pip on one standard lot of EUR/USD is 10 units of the quote currency. That is about ₱580 at a rate of roughly ₱58 to the unit. A mini lot is one tenth of a standard lot, so its pip value is about ₱58. A micro lot is one hundredth, so its pip value is about ₱5.80. The chart does not change, but the money each pip moves does.

What if my broker does not allow the exact size I calculated?

Most brokers trade in fixed steps, such as 0.01 lots. If your calculation gives 0.029 lots, the platform may only accept 0.02 or 0.03. Round down to the step below, so the risk stays inside the amount you chose. Rounding up can push your loss past the figure you set.

Does the peso exchange rate affect my position size?

The rate your broker uses to convert the quote currency into peso can differ from the ₱58 example here, and it can move during the day. That changes the final peso figure by a small amount. The method stays the same: risk in peso divided by stop distance in pips divided by pip value. Check the rate your broker quotes before you rely on a peso figure.

Where does the spread or commission fit into the calculation?

The spread and any commission are costs on top of the stop distance. They are not part of the pip distance you measured from the chart. A broker may charge these separately, and they vary between brokers. Your risk figure from the three numbers is the loss at the stop, before those costs are added.

Can I use this method on a pair that is not EUR/USD?

Yes, but the pip value depends on the pair and the quote currency. For EUR/USD the quote currency is the unit priced second, and one pip on a standard lot is 10 units of it. Other pairs may have a different pip value and a different conversion into peso. Find the pip value for that pair first, then divide as before.

The words used on this page

pip
The smallest standard move on most currency pairs. On EUR/USD around 1.0850 it is the fourth decimal place. A move from 1.0850 to 1.0851 is one pip.
lot
A fixed amount of the base currency in a trade. A standard lot, a mini lot and a micro lot are different sizes. The lot size sets the value of one pip before you know your final position size.
pip value
The money one pip is worth for the size you are considering. On EUR/USD, one pip on one standard lot is about ₱580 at a rate of roughly ₱58 to the unit. It changes when the lot size changes.
stop distance
The gap in pips between your entry price and your stop price. It comes from the chart, where your reason for the trade stops being true. It is counted in pips, not in peso.
position size
The number of lots you trade. It is the last number you calculate, not the first. It comes from your risk in peso, your stop distance in pips and the pip value for the size you are considering.
rounding step
The smallest size your broker allows you to trade, often 0.01 lots. If your calculation does not land on that step, round down to the step below. That keeps the risk inside the amount you chose.

What to take away

  • Position size is the last number you work out, not the first.
  • Risk in peso divided by stop distance in pips divided by pip value gives the size.
  • The stop belongs on the chart, where the idea is proven wrong; the size follows from it.
  • Rounding down to your broker's step keeps the loss inside the amount you chose.
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